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Post #15839 by getthefacts on August 29th 2008, 3:54 PM (in topic “Contact details please”)

Contact details please

I need to make urgent contact with the administrators of this portal.

I can find no contact details on the home page or anywhere else.

How do I contact administration and who exactly are they?

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Post #13902 by getthefacts on July 24th 2008, 2:13 PM (in topic “Topic #2369 (no title)”)

Topic #2369 (no title):

dad4life said
Personally, I cannot understand the fixation some people have for trivial distractions from the main game of family law and child support, of helping disadvantaged fathers work for themselves and their children against a system biased towards mothers.
The conversation I entered was  started by dad4life when he said the above, which I agree is not specific to the site.

However, Testing-one-two then asked a question which was very specific to the site:
Testing-one-two said
This is not a Dad's site… This site is for SRLs, separated parents, their partners, grandparents, and family members regardless of their gender. Correct?
To which dad4life provided an answer which was also very specific to this site:
dad4life said
Testing-one-two said
I think you may be referring to a different site. This is not a Dad's site. There are plenty of them out there. This site is for SRLs, separated parents, their partners, grandparents, and family members regardless of their gender. Correct?
No.  You are incorrect.  I was quite definitely referring to this site.

Dads are more than welcome here.  And believe it or not, Dads have rights too.

The courts and the legal system (lawyers included … "shadow of the law") are far more biased against fathers and, contrary to your misunderstanding and mischaracterisation, there are far fewer places, safe places, for separated fathers than there are for mothers.
That is not at all out of context or taken from a general discourse on men or fathers.

It is a question about this site and its answer from someone who appears to be a very senior member.

The Shared Parenting Council of Australia is indeed only one of the groups represented here, but other posts have said that the aim of the portal is to deliver the agenda of the Shared Parenting Council, and the quote from them was in the context of their own statement of theior recent achievemens, so is highly relevant to the question of where they see themselves in terms of  alignment.

Please pardon any offence.  I am new here and had wondered about the same question that Testing-one-two asked regarding whether this is a men's site/portal.

The quotes which I found, when taken in the context they were written, provide the answer.

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Post #13899 by getthefacts on July 24th 2008, 1:12 PM (in topic “Topic #2355 (no title)”)

Topic #2355 (no title):

A general warning - be very careful about the other information that is avaialble about you on the internet if you want your business to be taken seriously.

These days, employers, allocators of funds, government departments etc all get the facts!

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Post #13898 by getthefacts on July 24th 2008, 1:03 PM (in topic “Topic #2369 (no title)”)

Topic #2369 (no title):

Testing-one-two said
 This is not a Dad's site. There are plenty of them out there. This site is for SRLs, separated parents, their partners, grandparents, and family members regardless of their gender. Correct?
dad4life said
No.  You are incorrect.  I was quite definitely referring to this site.

Dads are more than welcome here.  And believe it or not, Dads have rights too.
You are definitely wrong Testing-one-two.

This is a dad's site.

dad4life said dads are welcome here - note he did not say parents are welcome, just dads.

Also, the secretary of the Shared Parenting Council of Australia said that the council was made a part of the Child Support National Stakeholder Engagement Group as "one of three peak lobby groups alongside Lone Fathers Association and Dads in Distress".  In that context, the Shared Parenting Council is not lobbying for parent or children, nor are they aligned with other groups lobbying for parents/children.  They very strongly identify and align themselves as a mens/dads group.

I am not saying that is right or wrong, just getting the facts.

The Shared Parenting Council of Australia is a dad's group as has been stated, and as their own secretary has confirmed.

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Post #13894 by getthefacts on July 24th 2008, 12:17 PM (in topic “Assessment and Payments”)

Assessment and Payments:

Jon Pearson said
Monster you may well be right - I would have to look at the guide and the legislation (which I have not done).


Good idea!



It is always best to get the facts before giving others advice.

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Post #13892 by getthefacts on July 24th 2008, 12:14 PM (in topic “Government (CSA) collects $20m unpaid 'child support'”)

Government (CSA) collects $20m unpaid 'child support':

Jon Pearson said
They do not care how many men they kill.
The government kills people?
Secretary Spca said
You ask members to read a statement like this and wonder why the site moderators move posts like this to trash. Apart from this post does not comply with the site rules around posting one liner posts it is simply ridiculous (in my view) to make a statement like this without any qualification whatsoever. Is it any wonder that some groups get no where on issues. Surely you could elabaorate on what this is about. I am suprised that a post like this gets credible reading. How do they kill people? who do they kill? How many? What areas of legislative reform can be changed to stop such events happening. If you want something fixed then please elaborate on the issue and we will endevour to get it fixed.

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Post #13891 by getthefacts on July 24th 2008, 12:12 PM (in topic “Fed Govt announces crackdown on child support dodgers: Child support spies to watch parents”)

Fed Govt announces crackdown on child support dodgers: Child support spies to watch parents:

nxus said
This is my fear…. observation aka look and write down "no evidence on film" - leads to the following: you go into David Jones to use their toilets ("cause you like the feel of the paper") and because you were in there for 30 minutes you "obviously" MUST have shopped there racking up huge bills (cash of course) so you can pay more because you can afford to shop there.

They film you and also make notes such as exactly how long you were in the toilet and exactly what if anything you bought.

In my case mostly because I had to advise the SAO (the wet buscuit variety) of tax law, privacy, and FBT - he, having gone back to his desk and used his "free" internet (bet he doesnt have to justify % private use) to verify that I was right. But still include that his opinion was that I did use the car for private use - though he couldnt prove it.. Blah Blah Blah. $45,000 extra salary case closed. They don't take what we say as honesty now, so how are we going to be able to defend ourselves in light of "evidence provided by a reputable investigator"…. Again the farce here is that more "evidence" justifies the system.. so more "good evidence from surveillance" will mean more more for sureveillance contractors… so who do you think is going to win?

(What is SAO?)

Sometimes men are ill informed or make decisions you don't agree with.

Maybe the gender of the staff is not so important after all?

Remembering that you cannot take cameras into DJ's or other shops.

The one that followed me for two days had 'bag cam' as the report called it, and happily took it into shops.

It is against the law to capture someones image without their permission. If you have the kids then scream peadophile to the highest rafters, make sure everyone hers you.. Like people do on Bondi beach when women are photographed without permission.

No, sadly, it is not illegal.

Complain to the pricvacy commission if they photograph the kids though.

Me personnally I think I will invite the investigator in for a drink or a BBQ. Not doing anything wrong so take all the pics u want… They cant do much else to me that they havent already done.

Beware - the capacity to take the most innocent things and twist them is sinister indeed.

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Post #13831 by getthefacts on July 23rd 2008, 2:58 PM (in topic “The problem with privilege”)

The problem with privilege :

Jon Pearson said
I know this is a little lighthearted but I face a problem. Lets tell a story.

Let's say i write a letter to the editor (they publish letters every week) saying I too support non violence and in fact its time all victims of violence are recognized -especially as ABS figures show there are more male victims than female.

Then they threaten, ignore and state they will not publish any letters on this topic by this person.

So what would you do?

just because they point to public statistics or express a balanced opinion?
White Ribbon Day is about violence against women.

The ABS figures show that there are more male victims of male violence in the younger age groups because men are attacking other men, mainly in public places.

The figures also say that many more women than men experience violence in the sanctity of their own homes.

Men, not women, started White Ribbon Day to draw attention to the need to change that.

Threaten by ignoring?

Pulling a single aspect of the statistics out of context and quoting it, also out of context, to prove a point it cannot sustain, about an issue to which it is not relevant, is not balanced.

What would I do?

The the facts!
D4E said
This is the problem with privilege there is always those who have more but want an even greater share and our society is set up to gain privilege.

It's interesting the writer uses the term " traditional femininity " like it has been here since the birth of time and women have always been the nurturers of children all through their growing life.

Nothing could be further from the truth and the claim to the child has existed in human existence for only a short time.
Well informed post!

Men have had a claim on the children for a relatively short time, women for an even shorter time.

When the Seneca Falls Declaration was signed in the mid-eighteenth century, men had the rights to their children, women did not yet.

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