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Post #15170 by cricket on August 18th 2008, 7:55 PM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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I have some news. Good news. We've received an email tonight out of the blue offering the children for this weekend! This is the first time in 12 months and it comes after the dangle of the carrot of making my husband retire and there being no further payments.

That is to say, the threat of money being witheld or even stopped if my husband cannot see the children he pays for.

I do not apologise for doing what i consider to be the right thing for us. At the end of the day, my husbands ex wife was only interested in maintaining free money. By threatening her and even playing psychological warfare that I would employ my husband and leave her with nothing, she appears to be using the children as a means to keeping the payments ongoing. This result cuts through all the red tape of going months and years through the courts at the expense of the heartache of a good father and innocent children.

It's a different and perhaps an unorthodox way to get a result but I never intended breaking the law or leaving children without a means to survive. We will keep paying the ex wife through CSA and we will continue to threaten that if she ever again stops the children from their natural relationship with their father, the money will stop. It works for us because we appealed to the nature of the beast, not waited fortheinaction of theinefficiency of beaurocratical red tape.

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Post #15164 by cricket on August 18th 2008, 5:50 PM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Artemis, my husband has a genuine health problem so I do not feel threatened or worried by any actions the CSA may take if he were to take an easier job and if my business were to offer him a less stressful job.

Please tell me, what good is dead father to the CSA or his children?

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Post #15146 by cricket on August 18th 2008, 8:26 AM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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But that's it isn't Artemis? It's all about proof. How is she going to get the money to fund a legal case to prove what we are doing or not doing? Are legal aid going to help? I think not. Going to court takes a long time and a lot of money. My husband is almost 55 and legally able to retire. His doctor will confirm his health problems. I can confirm that he works only 10 hours a week in my business as an employee. Well below paying tax.

I'm certainly not bitter at all, I feel sorry for the children who are the real victims. And I feel sorry for a good man. My husband does have an obligation to his children but it's not about giving a handout, it's about his presence in their lives which is currently being shut out.

I believe when you're dealing with a greedy person, hit them where it hurts. What's important here is getting my husband reunited with his children, not the money so it's all about tactics at the moment. I believe once the money stops, there will be negotiation and then a resolve.

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Post #15140 by cricket on August 18th 2008, 7:42 AM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Well that was all very refreshing and upbeat to read, thankyou SPCA.

In our case, I have a different approach of dealing with the CSA and the deviousness of a greedy ex wife.

Firstly, I own a business in the UK and Australia with a high turnover. Because the ex wife refuses to sign final orders, there is a route for her to come back with afinancialclaim.In this case, my husband is going to be taking early retirement very soon on the grounds of his health.He is on medication for high blood pressure so it's time he put his health first.

He will then work for me on a voluntary basis as a casual employee. This will mean his financial contribution tomy business is nil. In fact, he will become my dependant. I understand that the CSA clausesstate that where a parent leaves employment to take a lesser paid job in order to escape paing CSA, they will be made to find work that matches their capabilities and ability to earn a sufficient income.

As I have no liability towards CSA or the ex wife and her children, they can't make me pay my husband a higher wage. And if he has chosen to retire on the grounds of his health supported by his doctor, I can't see how they can bully him back to a similar job. They certainly can't if we're in England which is where I need to be shortly on business grounds.

Once the money stops to the ex wife, I imagine the contact issue will resolve too. She won't like being an unpaid childminder because she isn't thematernal kindso I'm pretty sure she'll start coming to the negotiation if we offer her some money, rather than no moneyproviding she signs final orders and she lets my husband see his son. In fact, knowing her greedy nature, I'm pretty sure she will do exactly this.

It's basically psychological warfare but sometimes it's a better solution than waiting for the law to change or waiting for the law to act.

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Post #15033 by cricket on August 14th 2008, 2:18 PM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Gooner, I don't think it's unfair to pay CS for children, that's entirely reasonable. I don't think it's fair to deprive a father of any form of shared parenting just so the ex wife can bargain for more money. I also do not think it's reasonable to support a 16 year old who is working and earning good money, not studying, and is therefore an independant.

The ex wife took 80% of the assets because she had the children, she also left a large amount of debt and forged my husbands signature to obtain credit cards and loans so no, any further financial assistance, I feel is extremely unfair.

My husband has worked 35 years and has nothing left. He deserves a break. I pity those men who cannot start their lives again or create any kind of financial security for themselves because of greedy ex wives and a biased government system.

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Post #15019 by cricket on August 14th 2008, 12:45 PM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Gooner, the CSA have always been very polite and reasonable to my husband when he has dealt with them. They have one role only and that is to do their job of collecting money. However, they have admitted that the system is unfair in many cases and in our case, we feel it is unfair for children that are paid for but are deprived from seeing their father by a greedy and bitter mother.



Yes, we could go through the legal route but on investigation, the costs are huge and there is no guaranteed outcome while the law cannot deal with the acrimonious nature and bitter emotions of ex spouses who say they will let us spend the money then the day before it goes to court, they will do the right thing.

Am I going to pay CS for this kind of behaviour to a mother and a daughter who agrees with her mothers attitude? No, I am not. And neither is the father soon because he will be retired legally and be working for me, again legally.

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Post #15007 by cricket on August 14th 2008, 5:19 AM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Well said Jon.

There is nothing fraudulent about my husband taking early retirement on the grounds of ill health due to the stress caused by his ex wife and daughter forging his signature to obtain credit cards in his name. That's just one of the things they've done so far.

Both women need to learn something about the golden goose moral.

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Post #14979 by cricket on August 13th 2008, 8:37 PM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Why would I defrauding anyone? My husband won't be receiving an income so how is that fraud?

Currently he pays CS for a 16 year old daughter who's mother has taught her that men are on the planet to be used and abused. As a result, she has no respect for her father. She thinks that it's his job to support her but she refuses to spend any time with him and treats him like a disease. I hope her father opting for early retirement and taking a part time voluntary position will teach her some valuable lessons. Such as there is no free lunch ticket.

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Post #14956 by cricket on August 13th 2008, 3:03 PM (in topic “Can the CSA take arrears directly from your wages before you receive them?”)

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Jon, I am moving to England so the problem will solve itself soon. BTW, my husband is ringing CS today because the 16 year old daughter he pays CS for is working almost full time, her mother works and her partner works. Nice life eh?



Meanwhile, CS want to know how much i earn (I am the second wife of the father) but they're not interested in how much the ex wife's partner earns???



Never mind, I have just employed my husband within my own business and am paying him nothing so I've told the wife and the daughter to go and get full time work as the hand outs will stop very soon.



Oh and Artemis, I did receive a reply from Anna Bligh about the other matter.

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Post #13495 by cricket on July 17th 2008, 6:54 AM (in topic “What are my rights in this situation?”)

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At least I did something Artemis. I'm sure the premier's representative will write back pointing me in the right direction.

As for using this forum, I am sure that many men will have read the thread and will have learned something of value.

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