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A follow up on the story about two children at a remote location in NZ

Secretary SPCA.

I read your post about your trip to new Zealand.

I hope you know many more details about the two children "from Toowoomba" than said in your post.

Do you really think it is appropriate, moral and lawful that you took a photo of a child and posted it on a website, encouraging others to do the same.

Your post suggests you are invading the children's privacy, and have harassed this family.

Child Advocate Class Action, Miss Isabel Field (National Child Advocate)
Some edits made.
You have made some valid comment that is being considered and while other details were not published only basic information was. The Topic has been removed pending further investigation on a number of matters in relation to the post including missing persons. I think you for bring this again to attention.

Executive Secretary - Shared Parenting Council of Australia
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Who is Isabel Field ?

CHILD ADVOCATE CLASS ACTION, Miss Isabel Field (National Child Advocate)
Who is this woman, "Isabel Field"?

A quick Google reveals very little, other than a few posts on several ABC forums.

No organisational or issues website.

One would think that for some with such an auspicious and long title would be better represented to the world.

It appears she is seeking to make a name for herself on the backs (work) of others, but stirring up trouble (trolling) and thus drawing attention to herself (and possibly to her issues).

Could this be daughter or sister of ETT?

I suggest you report to the relevant courts and to the AG's office that there may be kidnapped children in NZ and give a description and location. They may have loving and caring fathers looking for them and awaiting reunion with them.
I was rebuked for editing the post by Guest which is actually from Isabel, and started off  "You do not have to make this post public".

I edited some of the content from this post that did not need to be posted and put back the comments she makes.
Guest and Isabel Field, a National child Advocate said
You do not have to make this post public.

I read your post about your trip to new Zealand. I hope you know many more details about the two children "from Toowoomba" than said in your post.

Do you really think it is appropriate, moral and lawful that you took a photo of a child and posted it on a website, encouraging others to do the same.

Did you get consent also to take that photo? And if you did, did you disclose to the consenter parent your true intentions?

Also, if my children readily talked to strangers I would be very angry with them.

For all you know, Daddy is in jail and Mum took them somewhere to escape from it all for a bit.

Your post suggests you are invading the children's privacy, and have harassed this family.
The post actually drew attention to a young girl (photo not published) and posssible abductee on the Federal Magistrates web site and a young boy aged about 11 or 12 ish where I did publish a photo from behind and not entirely reconisable to other than a family friend.

Do I make any apology for the publishing… that is an interesting dilema I have. On the one hand these two children may be, as is suggested by Isabel caught up in a situation where "Daddy is in jail and mum took them somewhere to escape from it all for a bit". I think our good friends at the FLRA, who deal with prisoners on Goal, might have something to say about that. Dad "Might be" in jail but does that mean he never sees the kids again? What happens when he gets out? Does it mean mum can just take the kids and remove them from all contact with their extended family, friends and peers.

But they might be innocent pawns in an ugly parental dispute over contact. Hardly appropriate that they can just depart the country.

The post did generate much interest and I report again the post without the photo:
I was in New Zealand recently in the far North Island near the Bay of Islands. I was visiting an extremly remote  area where there was only a dirt road into the region and visiting a Maori Pa site. At the site we met two children, a young boy about 11 and a girl aged about 7 playing on bikes in the car park area. Both were not very talkative and very shy and obviously told not to talk to strangers when we first arrived but after a while followed us around the site and we got talking after a while.

I was interested to hear that neither were from the same family and that their mothers has just arrived (January) from the Towoomba region in Queensland. They had enrolled in a country school that had around 15 other children attending as it was a very remote location. They told me they were trying to get a phone line so they could get internet access. Neither of them mentioned their fathers throughout the hour or so we where there except to say that they "suddenly" left Towoomba and I now kick myself for not making further enquiries at the time.

I have published this photo of the boy (I did not have one of the girl) in case someone from Towoomba is looking for a child or two. If so feel free to contact me or have the Police give me a call for location details.
I also refer you to this news item

There are further developments in relation to this matter and I will report them once I have had confirmation of events next week and discussed with my colleagues.

Executive Secretary - Shared Parenting Council of Australia
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Thank you secretary SPCA for your latest post.  I agree these types of situations can provide dilemma. It is unfortunate that gender plays a role. I was not the one who insinuated that if the situation had have been dfferent than how it appeared to yourself, that the children had gone for a holiday without dads approval.  That was your assumption as to my intent. In fact my post was written in such a way that dad could have given approval or even made the decision. Dads have a vital role to play. That was your assumption as to my intent. It was a gender biased, perhaps more kindly expressed as a gender distracted comment from yourself. I am sympathetic.

Family law we know is not perfect. This causes so many problems for the whole country. We hope for improvement, particularly in relation to the fact that children need their dads. I too lost my wonderful dad due to family law. I am an old bag now so I have survived but the pain lingers, never to be forgotten.

For the guest post query as to whom I am I say this. My privacy is none of your business. If you do not know who I am too bad for you.  I am not going to make a description for you today, nor tell you how long I have been operating. Particularly as the post was assumptive and a bit rude.

Thanks Secretary SPCA
Guest said
…It is unfortunate that gender plays a role. I was not the one who insinuated that if the situation had have been dfferent than how it appeared to yourself, that the children had gone for a holiday without dads approval. That was your assumption as to my intent. In fact my post was written in such a way that dad could have given approval or even made the decision.Dads have a vital role to play. That was your assumption as to my intent. It was a gender biased, perhaps more kindly expressed as a gender distracted comment from yourself. I am sympathetic.
Thank you for that comment. There was much information not published, nor could be published and therefore the circumstances as I perceived them that led me to my concerns, could not be eloquently covered off in any public posts. The Moderators have banned me for 1 week for the Topic post so I will with much adieu bid farewell for a week…

Executive Secretary - Shared Parenting Council of Australia
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Guest, stop playing silly games.

In one post you ask "Who is this Woman"? and advertise your so called credentials. Then in another post you write about your privacy.

Three posts, Same IP address, same ISP. Yes I do have access to the sites security software. Your sisters know how effective it is!
Posts from this topic have been moved by members. 3 posts have been transferred to TRASH
Abusive poster's are not tolerated.
If these are children being hidden, I hope they are found and returned.
Quite disturbing that someone with a mouth and attitude such as Guest could be an Advocate for Children.  Tell me it isn't so.

Kids handed back

Sunday Herald Sun
21 March 2010

Editorial

Kids handed back

There is good news following last Sunday's emotionally-charged front page story about parents who had absconded with children in defiance of Family Court orders.

We welcome news that missing boy Marley, almost three, has been returned to his mother, and brothers Cameron, 14, Liam, 12, and Hayden, 10, have been handed back to their father.

Hundreds of thousands of Australians are touched by family break-ups every year. Some parents may feel tempted to take the law into their hands.

But the laws of the land have to be obeyed in the best interests of children.
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