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Several topics on this site relate to male suicide and the lack of accurate statistics. It would seem rather absurd that our Government that collects statistical information like small boys collect dirt does not have this information available in some form.

Perhaps the information is available but for fear of political repercussions is not deemed worthy of us - the great unwashed public to get our hands on.

Is anybody aware of verifiable statistical information on suicides and is there any historical data on suicide rates?

Some years ago the Federal Government was publishing information on Hague and Non Hague recoveries but the data on Non Hague has mysteriously not been available for some years - perhaps because that to is embarrassing?

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Stats on Suicide

A number of reports have been done on Suicide Statistics. From the ABS as well. These reports generally include a note saying that the figures are unreliable as a true indicator of the suicide figures. The reason for the unreliability is that a death can only be categorised as suicide after a FINDING at a coronial inquest. Usually the reports also mention different processes and procedures in different states making matters more complex. Some also refer to stigma in our society about suicide. Suggesting that many suicides go unreported as suicide but instead have other causes identified as the cause of death. Life insurance also gets a mention, many policies have a suicide clause preventing or limiting benefits.

Also many motor vehicle accidents remain unexplained, yet if there is no note or other firm evidence, the finding would be accidental death in a motor vehicle.

The experts believe most suicides are the result of a final crisis after a long period of stress. The crisis can be minor, but acts as a trigger. The suicide itself occurs because a moment of opportunity presents itself. Others are more planned, a long period of crisis leads to the decision to end it all. Once the decision is made, the stress is relieved, but the decision remains. These are believed to be preventable, if identified.

The problem is identifying when the decision has been made. Usually we assume the person has found a solution or learned to live with what they have.

While this topic stared as a discussion about Suicide Stats, it is important for those of us who work with people who are in crisis to be aware of the signs where possible.

The ABS has data on yearly suicide rates (with the above notes). Looking at those long term reveals some interesting points. Male Suicide has increased. Female suicide has decreased. Long term the relationship between the 2 figures has almost reversed.

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The response from feminist groups about stats (as I understand it) is that more women ATTEMPT suicide than men. I think that response is designed to show that women are experienced greater pressure than men.

I suppose that I personally know men who have committed suicide and have not seen one women - in all my life - who has committed suicide - makes me question that particular interpretation.

Nevertheless (as mentioned in another topic) if one was to include the concept of "attempting" suicide - would the motor car "accidents" come in  - BUT ALSO MAYBE DRUG TAKING, drinking to excess, high risk activities (typically associated with males),  and other activities indicating despair and a lack of hope?

Regardless of the classification - statistics shows men dying and becoming disabled ("accidents" and work accidents) far more often than women. Its a disgrace that governments show a lack of care in this space.

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I remember reading some time ago that men are much more likely to succeed in suicide attempts than women as men tend to go for the more drastic methods (i.e car accidents) and women overdoses making it easier to find and stop.

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This is true. A lot of unsuccessful suicide attempts are also not deliberate, but cries for help.

I have heard of people "over dosing" on panadol….

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Some Research

Here we go - found some info to back up my statement,
MedicineNet.com Men and Suicide on MedicineNet.com said
Numbers from the National Center for Health Statistics show this clearly. In the year 2000, the latest year for which statistics are available, men died four times as often as women did when they attempted suicide, even though women were three times more likely than men to try it in the first place.
MedicineNet.com said
"Males tend to choose methods that are more immediately lethal," says Lanny Berman, PhD, executive director of the American Association of Suicidology.
Hanging is common, but more than 60% of men who killed themselves in 2000 did so with a gunshot.
Why Women Are Less Likely Than Men To Commit Suicide -- ScienceDaily said
ScienceDaily (Nov. 12, 1998) - Many studies have identified a strong link between suicide and diagnosable mental illness, especially depression. So because women suffer from depression at a much higher rate than men, they would seem to be at higher risk for suicide. But women actually commit suicide about one-fourth as often as men.
Men Behaving Sadly - http://www.griffith.edu.au/research/stories/health/content_behaving_sadly.html said
About 2,400 Australians die from suicide annually, with 10 to 20 times more attempting to take their own lives, sometimes resulting in serious injury.

Men experiencing relationship breakdown, separation and divorce are a key 'at risk' group, with 30 per cent of all fatal male suicidal behaviour being associated with relationship breakdown/separation in the previous year.

The Australian Institute for Suicide Research and Prevention (AISRAP) is leading research into this critical time in many men's lives.
ABS - Misc.com.au said
In 1992, following marriage divorce, the suicide rate for men was 3 times that of divorced women. Young males committed suicide 4.8 times the rate of young females. (Source: ABS Statistics cited in report "Family Breakdown in Australia" (2005), Malcolm Mathias, President of the Lone Fathers Association).

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