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dammit the links arent working so i have removed them please check the smh and the daily telegraph website for the story about Helen sywak

and here the opinion of the lovely naomi toy ]
who thinks the mother is mean and vengeful:'(

what i say is that if no one is willing to push this ladies rights, and point out that she is being abused and defrauded by her miserable ex who will. he should be ashamed. everyone knows and thats the way it should be.

i myself would do the same thing

Last edit: by monster


Rarghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Han Solo routine "We're all fine here, thanks. How are you?" *weapons fire* "It was a boring conversation anyway!"
Monster the links aren't working.

The 2nd is Crusade to destroy Dead-beat Dad
monster

I understand your outrage at any parent who does not do the right thing by their children, but in my opinion this is gutter journalism.

I don't think it serves anyone's interests to provide sensationalized coverage of these extreme cases, using emotionally charged language.

Some people may feel this article justifies the outrage of all parents who have to fight for their children's support from the other parent, but it does not.

The article talks about the money as if it is owed to the mother (in this case, could be the father or another person in others).

It is owed to the mother for the children and is intended for their upkeep, not for her revenge.

Although this article may be seen to be supportive of parents who are owed child support, writing it in this way and packaging it as revenge does not just feed the stereotype of the dead-beat dad.  It also feeds the stereotype of child support payees who use the  requirement for both parents to support the children as  a means of revenge.

That is not helpful to  other payees who just want to collect what is owed for their children.

Personally, and I am just another poster like you, I  would prefer to write directly to the editor of the paper about such articles than give them any more airplay here than they deserve, so we can maintain a commitment to change and fairness on this forum.



i did write to the editor, i though that a whole lot more of you might want to chip in.

Rarghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Han Solo routine "We're all fine here, thanks. How are you?" *weapons fire* "It was a boring conversation anyway!"
She seems to be well educated and capable of earning a living for herself, and I would say that a lot of Australians would just get on with their life's given her qualifications, but I think she has a problem of not letting go of him, I doubt that she hired a private investigator just to track him down for child maintenance, the money she spent on that alone would of been a great deal, why would you want to tell the world your ex left you for a well known prostitute? just the media chasing a story and her chasing the media for publicity and money I think. and if he dose not want to keep contact with his kids then I would not even put him in the category of being a dad! so now the kids go around with people pointing fingers at them because their mum wants her money! my ex and others would like to get child maintenance calculated out from what she was getting for child maintenance! Please let me know if I have stepped out of line on this, but I know there are a lot of mums and dads that just twenty dollars extra a week would help.

If you don't talk about it, how can anyone help you move forward!
Although the wife of a payer, I actually understand and condone why this woman thought sod it and has gone out to name and shame this guy.   From the article it sounds like she had a fantastic divorce settlement and therefore should just forget about it.  However in the UK assets are split 50/50 and he would have been left with the same assets as the wife.  A $1million house in the UK is not necessarily that amazing (in fact it would only buy a smallish terraced house in london and not much more in Sussex where she is based).

The Hague Convention has obviously let her down and why is she any less entitled to get child support than anyone else? While her court-ordered maintenance payments sound big - my husband who earns a small fraction of this deadbeat's income, was intially given an assessment by the Australian CSA of $37000 AUD/year when the ex first moved to Australia in 2002.  Had he refused to pay this or heaven forbid, say that he was taking up a lower paid job (as this deadbeat did), he would have been served with a court order to pay the full assessment (the reciprocal enforcement order does not allow you to dispute the assessed amount in court but only serves to enforce the assessment).  Oh yes my husband's ex got a divorce settlement worth $750k AUD but now when my husband is finally going to collect his share from the settlement, the ex has successfully persuaded the CSA to take this into account when his CSA is calculated.
monster said
dammit the links arent working so i have removed them please check the smh and the daily telegraph website for the story about Helen sywak

and here the opinion of the lovely naomi toy ]
who thinks the mother is mean and vengeful:'(

what i say is that if no one is willing to push this ladies rights, and point out that she is being abused and defrauded by her miserable ex who will. he should be ashamed. everyone knows and thats the way it should be.

i myself would do the same thing
This post is not about SRL's, it does not have any links to the story and therefore is completely useless if people have to go scouring the web to find out what the post is about. The heading does not indicate what the story is about and neither is there any description. Please edit your originating post, make a proper heading and add a full description thanks. It seems to me Hyde Park or Devils advocates is the correct forum here. O_o Also you say "I have written to the Editor… What about? what did you say? Why? Readers need to get the full story.

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There is nothing unusual in this story.
Women uses media to shame man and try to gain money - relying on entrenched victim perpertrator model.

whats new?

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
I wrote to the editor explaining how unhelpful and unreasonable it is too write emotional stories pointing fingers at parents in this situation. Naiomi toys opinion peice slammed the mother as the perpertrator of emotional abuse against her kids for making them hate thier father, as far as im concened the kids allready got dissed by their father, what ever thier mother does wouldnt even disagree with thier own conclusions, which would be, "my dad left me and never bothered with contact, hes not worth knowing". I dislike having parents judged as too harsh because they a)pursue times with thier kids or B) pursue child support.

in response to John this man perpertrated such a massive fraud against his wife family and potentially his government it is real news story. its news in the same way that buisness fraud or any other kind of fraud would be. this man was well known, as it appeared that an entire buisness community in sydney knew about his financial fraud of his ex wife. i dont see this as being another sterotyping of men as dead beat dad jon, because it truley appears to be an extreme case of fraud.

i also dont like the arrogant asssumption that the mother is wrong to spend her money  pursuing this guy whem really she should be spending it on her kids, thats like calling a parent selfish for hiring lawyers and gong to court to enforce access. everyone should be able ot collect child support if it is due to them, without being unduley judged

Rarghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Han Solo routine "We're all fine here, thanks. How are you?" *weapons fire* "It was a boring conversation anyway!"
I'm sorry but the story does not do justice to your concerns monster.

Simply put she has stated that she has written the money off and now wants revenge.

He has admitted to ceasing paying C.S.A. because his X has underestimated her income, plain fact that he does not use to further denigrate her.

If the courts are pursuing him in regard to purgery then they will do so but as we rely on one source of information it's hard to tell truth.    

There is also no mention of childrens ages etc etc.

It's hard to tell whether this is a cause or a beat up.

Too few details to base an opinion on for me personally and I do see it as just more face space.

using the media to expose 'crimes' is sensationalist and gutter journalism - ratings and money. There are too many 'victims' willing to expose how their lives have been ruined by someone else - usually its about revenge, damage and getting money. We could all tell our own stories on national TV - the only difference is no-one would give a toss about my story nor would the public be able to easily categorise - victim, perpetrator so they would become confused and perplexed.  Much better to pander to the lowest common denominator.

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
lol i take it you dont like a current affair type of journalism. being self rightous doesnt seem like alot of hard work for them.

i can see your point, the media think that everyone should be placed on some moral set of scales, and they can pull our strings with sensational stories.

Rarghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

Han Solo routine "We're all fine here, thanks. How are you?" *weapons fire* "It was a boring conversation anyway!"
There are two sides to every story. Its a standard tactic - particularly when you may be at fault - to get to the media first and get YOUR story out before someone else does. People who use the media like this have something to hide more often than not.

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
She has plainly stated she wants revenge so the " news " article is simply a tool she is using to make her X's name high profile negatively, she's not happy with the decision child support has made that may well be based on the fact that he has overpaid for umpteen years, simplistic one sided journalism as par for the course    
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