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No-Justice said
I wonder if there are any stats out there that reveal how many mothers are putting their children out for sex.

I know it is a no, no to speak of such truths but look at the add on TV against the child sex trade. It is the woman/mother who is providing her daughter for sex.

If this did not happen what would happen, so many of the children would not be put in such disgusting danger and the mother would need to find income sin another way.

That would mean she has to get off her backside, miss her TV soaps, miss coffee with the girls and stop making the dent in the couch bigger.

Again a NO NO to these women, life is for them to take it easy not work.
This thread is about interpersonal domestic abuse and violence.  It is NOT about tangential (and IMO specious) issues such as child sex trafficking.

I have noted your tendency to drop in on a post/thread and drop in unrelated material (like a cuckoo laying an egg) and so disrupt and derail the thread.  I am not prepared to let that continue.

This forum is specifically about family law related issues and matters.  It is NOT about broader social and political matters.

Your post is both irrelevant (to this thread and to the forum) and inflammatory.

To me, it suggests undifferentiated and unfocussed thinking, possibly motivated by frustration, anger, rage and depression.  And I can understand having those feelings, after being ripped off via this country's "family law" system.  But it doesn't help you, nor anyone else, to not control those feelings and to act in a less than coherent and focussed manner that clearly communicates you are in control of yourself and you have a mission (that is broader than just personal, if you are going to work with others).

If you behave this way in other areas of your life No-Justice, you will quickly find yourself missing out and being blocked.  Perhaps this is what happened to you in court and why you were blocked there.  I don't know and I don't want any more details on it from you.  What I do know is that your posts may contain something of interest and use but are typically spoiled by your tendency to be irrelevant and to provide tenuously UNrelated material in a dense circuitious writing style.

After one day - to give you and others a chance to read your post and mine - I intend to delete your post, my post and any subequent posts that stray off the path on this topic in this thread.

I want this thread to stick to the topic.
Dad4life said
This thread is about interpersonal domestic abuse and violence.  It is NOT about tangential (and IMO specious) issues such as child sex trafficking.
Sorry if you find my thinking of child sex (cs) is domestic violence of the most heinous type perpetrated on children. Not all cs is out housed, often it is the blind eye in the home that causes the greatest harm to our children by the boyfriend or other because the mother is scared of loosing him or the like. Also I find people who have sex in front of the children almost as offensive because it destroys the child's moral thinking hence children now have competitions with school friends to see who can have the most sex.

What prompted my thinking was your statement of; "It is important to recognise, acknowledge and point out the elephant (of false allegations of abuse and violence and of systemic father exclusion) in the room, and not to ignore it."

It was a quick reply on the threats of domestic violence and the obscurity of the contribution of women to that issue. The TV add I referred to, demonstrates 2 points; firstly the obvious of the offence about to be committed stereotyping men as predators. The second not so obvious is the person who makes children available for the offence to be committed with no comment on that fact.

Jadzia said to your piece @ 1:13PM "Totally agreed!! Same stereotyping that makes all single mothers pokie playing, smoking tarts that have no interest in their kids other than money making machines to fuel their lifestyles.

My comments follow on from that line also, "have no interest in their kids other than money making machines to fuel their lifestyles" so how is what I said not related or relevant?

Yes, it opens up a larger area for discussion and broadens the views on what is included in the topic of domestic violence. To me this is the most heinous of the undisclosed issues of the problem, which is the blind eye and supply of the victims.

No

No-Justice said
Jadzia said to your piece @ 1:13PM "Totally agreed!! Same stereotyping that makes all single mothers pokie playing, smoking tarts that have no interest in their kids other than money making machines to fuel their lifestyles.

My comments follow on from that line also, "have no interest in their kids other than money making machines to fuel their lifestyles" so how is what I said not related or relevant?
I will NOT enter into discussion with you on this, other than to note that Jadzia's comments were dismissive of the stereotypes she raised, whereas yours escalated over the top and were affirmative of the stereotype you raised.

You stepped over the line with the child sex trafficking comment.  It is not an absolutely taboo topic but you would need to be extremely judicious in making the point.  You could have chosen to raise that stereotype, compare it with that peddled about DV by men and then asked is it fair to tar all of either sex with the same brush of a few offenders, but you didn't.  Your post like lacked the clarity that was need to carry it off.

You've chosen to ignore both my warning and the other sent to you by another.

As far as I'm concerned, this is the tipping point, preceeded by many unclear and repetative posts from you.

In consequence I will not only be deleting your posts here but possibly any others I find from you that don't immediately impress me as being on topic for both the forum and the thread.  Especially if you are seeking to hijack and derail a thread.

Off Topic and Irrelevant Posts by No Justice have been transferred here

This poster has received warnings from moderators and site directors about the nature and content of his posts but for some reason still continues to believe this site is his personal soapbox.

Posts are being transferred to this forum so they can receive the attention they deserve

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on this site (look for the Avatars) Be mindful what you post in public areas. 
I see that No Justice has returned and usual goes straight off topic

He seems to have a problem comprehending the written word. He gets warnings from site directors and moderators and yet is still off all over the place (with the Fairies?) For once I actually feel some sympathy for those judges that had to listen to him. Imagine listening to him going round and round in ever increasing circles in the Courtroom espousing that he was 100% correct. Its bad enough reading his rubbish, but having to listen to it for hours would be excruciating

No Justice, are you here to contribute or to make life more difficult by trying to confuse people with your perverted logic?

They say every village in England has one, I just guess you are the site's one?

No-Justice said
removed by No-Justice, dad4life found it offencive and claimed it as off topic


Your post was offensive and off topic and he is not the only moderator with that opinion.

Site directors have moved previous posts and you have received official warnings from site directors about some of your posts, deliberate off topic posting and original user name

I note that Conan says "He seems to have a problem comprehending the written word"

I think many of your postings tend to confirm that opinion

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on this site (look for the Avatars) Be mindful what you post in public areas. 
Dad4life Posted 18 November, 2007, 02:07 AM "Mother 'threw baby across room'" in the same forum I posted these posts. This post and my posts were about the hidden abuse perpetrated by woman, what's the point closed minds stay closed until it is too late.

Forums like this are to expand the mind and knowledge base of the issues are they not?

I asked for help "so how is what I said not related or relevant?" and got transfered?
No-Justice said
Dad4life Posted 18 November, 2007, 02:07 AM "Mother 'threw baby across room'" in the same forum I posted these posts. This post and my posts were about the hidden abuse perpetrated by woman, what's the point closed minds stay closed until it is too late.

Forums like this are to expand the mind and knowledge base of the issues are they not?

I asked for help "so how is what I said not related or relevant?"  and got transfered?
Your post was 'offensive and off topic' and you did not ask for help - you were using the site as a soapbox again

You are correct - forums like this are to expand the knowledge base - they are not soapboxes to promote lop sided and offensive views

Now you are going through site topics trying to find inconsistencies in Dad4Life's posts in an attempt to justify some of your posts, that is not a mature attitude!

Now do I have to repeat the same warnings you have received from Dad4Life?

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on this site (look for the Avatars) Be mindful what you post in public areas. 

Response to No-Justice

No-Justice you are 1) a serial time waster, who is 2) seeking to use this site as a personal soapbox and who 3) just doesn't get it.

Time-waster because I now have to spend time responding to you.

Soapbox because most of your posts are personal or opinion.  Both would be OK if they were logical and not full of unsubstantiated assertions or they were on topic.

You "just don't get it" because instead of stopping and asking yourself "Why are these people saying these things to me?" you have have chosen to go on the defensive and offensive.

Stop and think for a minute: it's not just one person who has problems with you here, it's multiple.  So maybe, they/we aren't all wrong and there is something about and in your behaviour that isn't helping you or anyone else.

Take your last post for example:
No-Justice said
Dad4life Posted 18 November, 2007, 02:07 AM "Mother 'threw baby across room'" in the same forum I posted these posts. This post and my posts were about the hidden abuse perpetrated by woman, what's the point closed minds stay closed until it is too late.
The key difference between my post and yours is that I provided 'evidence' in the form of a reported article, whereas you made unsubstantiated assertions. You provided no evidence to back up what you were saying.  I've never seen nor heard of the TV advertisement you alluded to.  Additionally, your approach is polemic in nature; it is that of the soapbox and not of one providing information and evidence.
No-Justice said
I wonder if there are any stats out there that reveal how many mothers are putting their…
Why "wonder"?  Why not instead do some work and find out details and report them and then show how they're related to family law and child support issues.  By just "wondering", and not doing any work yourself, you simply gave an opinion and, in this case one based on a hot button issue, that could reflect naegatively on this site if not addressed.  In effect you were using this site as a personal soapbox.

I posted that article as an example that women are human, just like men, and not perfect godesses, and that some are capable of abuse, violence and murder.  The purpose was to provide evidence that women, as well as men, can be abusive and violent.  The aim is to refute feminist and mothers' rights claims that only men are violent and that fathers should be automatically excluded from their children on the sayso of false allegations by a woman (who they want automatically believed by police and judges).

In light of the related material I posted in that thread and elsewhere it should be apparent that the point that is being made is that men and women are equally human and can both be good parents and some can do bad things SO why single out men to be lesser people and parents when it comes to family and children?!!  (And I have just updated that post to explicitly say this.)

Another difference is our respective bodies of work (our posts on this site), that provide a context in which our latest posts are read.  My posts tend to be articles and provide information.  Yours (looking back at them and some of the responses they garnered) tend to be personal, lengthy, convoluted and contain many unsubstantiated assertions, claims and irrelevancies.
No-Justice said
Forums like this are to expand the mind and knowledge base of the issues are they not?
It is not for you to tell the forum site directors and moderators what the purpose of this forum is or is not.

This forum is specifically about family law related issues and matters.  It is up to participants to provide evidence and logic and to show relevance.
No-Justice said
I asked for help "so how is what I said not related or relevant?" and got transfered?
You did not ask for help in the thread that led to this thread.  You were making claims and giving opinion about mothers trafficking their children.

I, and other moderators, are not here to be answerable to you.  That you sought to justify yourself and argue the toss, as you continue to do, resulted in your (and related others) off-topic posts being transferred.  Once again what you were doing was hijacking a thread and making it about YOU.  That detracts from and derails a thread.  It is good management to remove the distraction to another place, and that has been done.

You might (think you) understand something but if you cannot communicate it to others so that they can understand it then they will not be able to help you.

You have told your 'story' and in so doing asked for help.  The problem is, and you haven't seen or acknowledged it yet, that you are not clear in what you say; you leave out details and jump here and there and I just do not follow it.  If you want a reader to follow you YOU need to make it easy for them to do so - currently you don't.

Additionally, you make assertions that aren't backed up and you introduce material that doesn't appear relevant.  Both of these leave me scratching my head and I just give up reading any more because it's such a jumble.

Perhaps if you broke your 'story' down, made it accessible and asked one or two key questions per posts others might be able help, but until then you get what you give.
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