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I recall one moderator on this site saying to one poster that conspiracy theories belong only in the humourous posts and venting forums. This article may have bene published by a biased Moderator.

In the news article on your opening page of this website today, is an article about USA state of Massech… may get equal parenting legislation. At the bottom of the page is a quote by Harry Crouch, stating harmful effects etc of their Family court, and also claims corruption and the like.

I recall one moderator on this site saying to one poster that conspiracy theories belong only in the humourous posts and venting forums.

You know, your forum moderators, or at least one of them is bias. All depends who puts it forward eh
ORR said
I believe this is the quote from the news article you refer to…

Harry Crouch says an investigation in San Diego is rocking the foundations of the California Family Court System.  This investigation, he explains, took root through the California Mens Center with National Coalition of Free Men member attorney Marc Angelucci and other NCFM members.  "A host of adversely impacted fathers and mothers joined together in an ever increasingly effective campaign to expose certain harmful, if not corrupt aspects of the family court system," he said..

I am not sure how you suggest this is a conspiracy theory but happy to take further input and edit it into the post.  I read the news item that was posted and can't see anything untoward that would suggest that the article is made up and or conspiratorial, but I will look further into the source and we can confirm the authenticity. I would think most sensible readers will take the purported comments made by Couch as generalisations and with no evidence published to support the claims, no examples or investigations under-way, would surely not jump to any serious conclusion in regard the operation of the Californian court system.
Guest also posted and said
Just been reading your latest news article on the front page of this website about USA, and state of masse…, possibly legislating for equal parenting, and the quote by Harry Crouch that speaks of family court and corruption and the like.

I recall a poster on this forum being told that conspiracy theory posts belong in the humourous forum etc, only.

I knew you were bias.

So if one of your recognised mens groups speaks about alleged corruption they are praised, but not if one of your ordinary posters says same they cop it. Seems I shown again that at least one of your moderators is biased.

Last edit: by OneRingRules

I believe a vote by the moderators is required, the vote would be to ascertain the guests identity and to then supply the guest with a funded course on the English language, as the guest is showing a lack of the understanding of the said language.

The fact is that the article says "
News Article said
A host of adversely impacted fathers and mothers joined together in an ever increasingly effective campaign to expose certain harmful, if not corrupt aspects of the family court system," he said..
This is not a claim of corruption it is a claim to expose the harmful, if not corrupt aspects of the family court system.

My understanding is that the English language has some order to it, that is what is being said first and foremost is that there are harmful aspects to the family court system that are being exposed, but however they may be due to corruption. It is not a claim of corruption, it is simply saying there possibly is corruption. Perhaps the guest would like to provide the proof that this claim that there may be corruption is in fact false. I believe such proof of no corruption would then perhaps make the article open for attack. However I'm pretty sure that the MA Family Courts would take exception if they believed they had cause. Perhaps guest would like to contact them and alert them as perhaps my understanding of the English language is flawed in this aspect (oops does that mean all :) ).

Also perhaps the moderators would be kind enough to vote on providing the guest with a dictionary, one that has the word hypocrite, as the guest then shows bias by reflecting only on "men's groups" and must be oblivious to the word hypocrite.

However I think the guest should also be thanked for raising more attention to this article and that the world is turning to stopping the abuse of children which so often happens when for no reason, other than the child or children's father being a male, that child or those children are denied their humane right to a relationship with their parents.

Anyway to assist guest in this here's the full article that was posted in News. :-

News Article said
Article (USA) - "MA getting closer to equal parenting via HB 1400"

Massachusetts is on the verge of becoming a shared parenting state.  Or it seems, after Governor Deval Patrick and today's committee members expressed unprecedented interest.

HB 1400 would establish a presumption of shared legal and shared physical custody following divorce, where a family court determines that both parents are fit to care for their children.  Ned Holstein M.D., M.S., Founder and Chair of the Board of Fathers & Families testified today along with Harris Allen, PhD, Cheryl Quiambao, Annie McQuilken, Norma Millett, Shawn Gliklich, MD, Attorney Deborah Sirotkin Butler and other shared parenting supporters.

Glenn Sacks, F& F's Executive Director reports:

 
 Through Fathers & Families efforts, over one-quarter of the Massachusetts Legislature has expressed clear, public support for our Shared Parenting Bill, many of them signing on as co-sponsors. We gathered thousands of signatures to place shared parenting on the 2004 Massachusetts ballot and led a successful campaign for its passage, winning 86% of the vote. Massachusetts Governor Deval Patrick told the Legislature that if they pass Fathers & Families Shared Parenting bill, he will sign it, and F & F recently met with Massachusetts Governor Patrick.

Many questions were asked of those testfying in favor of HB 1400.   Holstein described the meeting, saying it took about an hour.  They dont do that if they just want to sweep an issue under the rug, he said.

Myth busted

One myth that reappears whenever shared parenting is mentioned is that it is a tool used by abusive men who are aided by an evil empire called "the fathers movement."  People who perpetrate this myth will tell you that father and shared parenting advocates are women-haters who want nothing but harm to come to women and children.

Men's, fathers' and shared parenting organizations, like family rights and mothers' organizations want reform in family law to protect children.  Ideally, children would have both parents in their lives equally, but they don't advocate for abusive parents of either gender to retain custody.  "We are an equal parenting organization that happens to have the word 'fathers' in it's name," says Donald Tenn, president of Fathers 4 Justice.  "We have members who are fathers, members who are mothers, and even grandparents," he says.  (See Good dads reach new heights to protect their children)

Harry Crouch says an investigation in San Diego is rocking the foundations of the California Family Court System.  This investigation, he explains, took root through the California Mens Center with National Coalition of Free Men member attorney Marc Angelucci and other NCFM members.  "A host of adversely impacted fathers and mothers joined together in an ever increasingly effective campaign to expose certain harmful, if not corrupt aspects of the family court system," he said..
Listen Mike t, I am a thousand times stronger than you could ever dream to be.
ORR said
If Guest wishes to make such sweeping statements and join the site as a member they would find that there are big shoes to fill with many of the Moderators having much experience and giving much public service. MikeT was trying to put into context the Guest conspirator theory in relation to the news article. I don't believe that was any criticism of the Guest post but more so to clarify, which I as a site admin could not. My role as an Admin is simply to authenticate a real Guest from the tens of thousands of robot posts made daily
Why don't u tell us your true identity, and the other moderators tell us their true identity as well. If I were u, I would be a smart lad, because I have analysed your website, as is my right and the right of every person as u are in the public domain.

Your use of the english language is incorrect. The article clearly refers to a concern of corruption.
ORR said
Guest is entitled to their opinion, albeit anonymously, and it will be up to the readers of the news story to ascertain if there is some conspiracy or not. I believe much of the article is now published.

In respect to comemnts about the Moderators. Many are known and come from groups that work with many affected parents after separation. One or two are Grandparents and some are practitioners and Purveyors of law. Much information here is posted from both legal and mediator services / sources as well as members and guests who have recounted experiences. The site tries to deliver a relatively balanced set of news items focusing on CSA, The Courts and Parenting issues recounted by those affected and those who have some story to tell. The readers need to make up their mind and take their own views from all of that but as a place to disseminate information about firstly Australia, secondly New Zealand and other countries, but there is little out there that covers the depth that is seen here.

If Guest wishes to join and show their expertise with constructive commentary and posting authoritative articles I am sure they will be well received in the public forums

Last edit: by OneRingRules

Hey Moderators, why dont you have a new forum for Site Idiots (every village has an idiot) for this particular guest.

This Guest poster is Isy (same IP address)

This was the self appointed expert that knew absolutely everything and everybody and had helped tens of thousands of people (in his dreams) but of course was very secret about his own identity. Of course none of those people he knew, knew who he was either.

Isy had his own theme song sung to the tune of "Busy doing nothing the whole day long" it was Isy doing nothing and ******* the whole day long.

Isy then went on an alcohol induced rage or forgot his medication and then began attacking other posters and was banned.

MikeT there is no point in arguing or trying to debate with Isy because he is an idiot, fool and liar and will drag you down to his level and beat you with experience.

Isy are you really in Melbourne or Cloud Cuckoo Land?

Isy  take your medication or get help.

and poor Isy this is the Devils Advocate forum so I can say what I like!
Guest said
Listen Mike t, I am a thousand times stronger than you could ever dream to be.

How could you have any idea of the limitation of my dreams? Exactly what are you admitting to doing, not stalking me I hope? I'd love you to explain how you can/did ascertain this. Isn't it rather convenient that it works out exactly at 1000 times stronger and that it would appear to be for all strengths, wow that really must be a coincidence you and myself having a difference in all strengths by a factor of 1000. Have you by any chance computed the odds of that happening? I'd be really interested to know what the odds are of two human beings having all strength levels exactly differing by a factor of 1000, as this appears to be your field of experience, please enlighten me.

Oh P.S. claim and concern are different words and also funnily enough they have different meanings, but I suppose it's goods to see that you understand that in your attempt to make out that you originally used the word concern rather than claim and therefore show your actual agreement that you were originally lacking and wrong. In doing so you show a strength in which you are without doubt stronger, the strength being the one that allows you to attempt to distort things to suit your vanity, rather than to admit to your wrongs.  Unfortunately you don't have the strength to realise that the strengths that you believe you have are not aligned with the reality of the situation. Your strength at attempting to deceive myself and likely others, has failed, your belief is plainly far less than the credit that you give it. So that then in fact makes your claim of strength also a lie/distortion.

Guest - original post said
In the news article on your opening page of this website today, is an article about USA state of Massech… may get equal parenting legislation. At the bottom of the page is a quote by Harry Crouch, stating harmful effects etc of their Family court, and also claims corruption and the like.

Guest - response to my reply said
Your use of the English language is incorrect. The article clearly refers to a concern of corruption.

As such my statement

MikeT - previous post in response to guests original post said
It is not a claim of corruption, it is simply saying there possibly is corruption.

is in fact correct, so your are yet again incorrect.
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