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Criminalisation

Wanting make things a crime - wanting more government and police intervention

I cant understand why things are a crime and others are not.

I can't understand why people want to make more things a crime and have more government control and regulation rather than stopping the causes.

I can't understand why some things have some much legislation and control around them (as crimes) why other things do not.

How is balance fairness and sense achieved?

Is that what attorney generals do?

For example there seems to be a rash of domestic violence laws (but assault is still a crime isn't it) - what was wrong with the assault laws?

But then there seem to be no laws about having sex with and creating babies out of wedlock. Should that be a crime - after all its has a permanent damaging effect on many people? Instead laws were considered to deny DNA testing so parenthood could be confirmed? Why are the laws being set up this way?

What about lying, extorting money, failing to work (to extort money)?

Why is not paying CSA considered to be on a par with terrorism? But creating babies without the consent of the other parent isn't? I think that's pretty horrific but I seem to be a lone voice.

Do people really think we have balanced and sensible laws?

I have noticed some people seem to want more laws all the time.

Is that a good thing?

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
Are the new laws in reality really new laws, or are they really a replacement for societal rules that existed in what I'll call the closer or village society of days gone by, when the power of non-acceptance by friends, family and neighbours was often the long arm of the law?

In some ways are the laws actually reducing in that they are from a reducing source rather than from the people?

Laws and Social Mores

Throughout human experience, social mores have always been the most effective regulator of human behaviour - if you didn't want to fit in, society didn't want you.

In our society, laws have moved toward supplanting mores as the regulator.  It had lead to much confusion.

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I think in many cases we would be surprised as to what laws exist that relate back to early law making that do not fit into todays society, revamping old laws into modern language or usable dialog to me is a good thing but some of the associated annexe's corner people into being tried for crimes they did not commit, I agree this can and will see people stitched up because of opportunist people ( as always ).

    
D4E said
I think in many cases we would be surprised as to what laws exist that relate back to early law making that do not fit into today's society, revamping old laws into modern language or usable dialogue to me is a good thing but some of the associated annexe's corner people into being tried for crimes they did not commit, I agree this can and will see people stitched up because of opportunist people ( as always ).
A favourite existing/comical by-law or law in the UK, as I understand or misunderstand, is that Taxi's have to carry a bale of straw. Due to when taxi's were hackney carriages and horse drawn.

There again, you get some of the new laws that people try to implement, the EEC went through a phase, English Chocolate, was going to have to be named something else, bananas weren't going to be bananas if they didn't adhere to certain curvature requirements.

The truth of the next statement has not been verified so it's an " I was told "

I was told that it is still a hanging offense in Naval Law to fornicate with another mans " Knot hole ", coming from the knot holes in the old sailing ships made from wood.

The mind boggles  O_o
i think stupid haircuts should be crimminal

Rarghhhhhhhhhh!!!!!!!!!!!!

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Jon Pearson said
I cant understand why things are a crime and others are not.

I can't understand why people want to make more things a crime and have more government control and regulation rather than stopping the causes.

I can't understand why some things have some much legislation and control around them (as crimes) why other things do not.

How is balance fairness and sense achieved?

Is that what attorney generals do?

For example there seems to be a rash of domestic violence laws (but assault is still a crime isn't it) - what was wrong with the assault laws?

But then there seem to be no laws about having sex with and creating babies out of wedlock. Should that be a crime - after all its has a permanent damaging effect on many people? Instead laws were considered to deny DNA testing so parenthood could be confirmed? Why are the laws being set up this way?

What about lying, extorting money, failing to work (to extort money)?

Why is not paying CSA considered to be on a par with terrorism? But creating babies without the consent of the other parent isnt? I think thats pretty horrific but I seem to be a lone voice.

Do people really think we have balanced and sensible laws?

I have noticed some people seem to want more laws all the time.

Is that a good thing?
  I agree that we are already heavily over regulated. I've heard it referred to as a nanny state, but that may be offensive to those grandparent members of this Web Guide.

To answer some of your specific questions, (I know many were rhetorical);

Assault is still a crime, and the provisions of s39 of the Crimes(Domestic and Personal Violence) Act 2007 determines that upon conviction for an assault deemed to be a DV offence, an AVO pretty much follows automatically. This seems sensible to me because it saves a second un-neccessary hearing running over the same evidence.

There are no laws about having sex and having babies out of wedlock because we emerged from the dark ages, and the domination of the Catholic church 100's of years ago. What difference does it make to children of separated parents whether they were married or not?

DNA parentage testing is still available and is likely to continue to be available in the future. I am not aware of the existence of a Bill to outlaw it but I am happy to be corrected if this is incorrect.

Extorting money is a crime. Lying is not (unless under Oath). I'm guessing the politicians won't be rushing to make a crime of lying. Pretty hard to enforce it anyway.

Failing to work should not be a crime. People should be encouraged to work, but forcing people in to labour (labour camps? Salt mines? chain gangs?), has a bit of a totalitarian ring about it. Not really our flavour in a progressive western democracy is it?

I can understand the metaphore re CSA and Terrorism but I suspect that is more about the frustration people have about the Agency ie the system of assessment and enforcement than with the obligation to support one's child. Most will not have difficulty with the latter.

Creating babies without the consent of the other party may be a crime in some circumstances, ie sex without consent = rape.

Babies are made following sex without contraception. Dual responsibility. If you don't want a baby (as a male) you spend $1.00 on a condom. Anyway, with equal non-parental responsibility (the responsibility to ensure you don't accidentally become parents) who would be guilty of the crime, the mother, the father or both?
Laws which deny money to aborigines who live in communities, laws which stop people leaving the country if they have not paid their csa bill, laws which take money from one part of the population and give to another, laws which push one agenda over another,

t12 - I think there would be a wide range of views on what makes a single law good or bad law - but for the the WHOLE PACKAGE is extreme and follows a trend.

I KNOW that the law makers and policy makes HAVE NO IDEA how the laws interact or could extract any sensible CONSISTENT PRINCIPLES from the existing mess. Its not that society is THAT MUCH more complicated (and hence needing more complex law) NOR IS IT that we have more 'criminals' - basically we probably have a society where (most countries) have generally decent living conditions.

Apart from being a mess it does seem focussed TOO MUCH on demonising certain types of people. The disadvantaged groups - aborigines, migrants, men and others. Why should people be treated like that and who looks after the whole picture?

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
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