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Using the CSA to manage child support is like using a brick and a mallet to preform mico-surgery.

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Are we so incapable of managing our private affaires that we need to goverement to do it for us, or is the Government just recouping welfare payments?

I resent the government intruding in my life. I will put that on the table first. It goes without saying that I resent my x for dragging the CSA into my life. My x and I have a 50/50 arrangement, he is after child support because, god forbid, I have been moderately more successful than him. Anyway, so now I have to deal with CSA. In doing my research I find that the csa,s role is to reduce the welfare bill. So I have to pay the x, so the government does not have to. So we have generations of people who think that it is ok to take handouts, that they deserve handouts, but the government can't support the habit, so hardworking people have to wear the cost. Every time my bank balance decreases as a payment lands in the lap of my x, I'll think it took me 3days to earn that money. I ask myself, is that money to benefit my children or is it some kind of compensation paid to the other parent. Compensation for being a parent ? In the end I will see it as theft, money stolen from me, a theft sanctioned by the government.
drhuge, you nailed it. That is exactly what C$A is for.

How long until your kids are 18 and you  are off the C$A merry-go-round?
Dbouble, I have 8 more years. However, I will not go quietly. The x is using the CSA as a weapon. It seems that this sight is full of people being bludgeoned by the CSA. I notice that most of the people with their handout are women. I am a single women, I have three kids, I work full time, I'm paying a mortgage, i don't come from a wealthy family, I'm not overly gifted in any way, I just have always worked and supported myself. It can be done. It frustrates the hell out of me that their are people sitting on their arses thinking that it is their right to live of other peoples money!!!! I would like one person to give me a compelling argument as to why people with a 50/50 care arrangement should be compelled to pay child support…. In fact I want a compelling argument for the existence of CSA at all….
Welcome to the world of just about every member of this forum. You need to find a way of managing what you're thinking and feeling or it'll consume you to the point of absolute ruin. There are no winners with family law matters, and few winners with CSA. As a payer you are unfortunately not one of the winners with CSA.

I know it seems impossible to comprehend at the moment, but remember that kids do grow up and once they reach 18 you're off the hook, and if your ex's income increases your CS decreases.

I wish I could give you a source of comfort but I can't. All I can tell you is that having been a human bank account…I mean payer with CSA for some time now (I'm about to have my CS increased to nearly $500 per week!), it does become more liveable with time, and in that time you can improve your understanding of CSA and use that knowledge to your advantage. Get smarter, not angrier. The latter gets you nowhere.
Because the more you pay, the less the govt pays in welfare. C$A is created and run by the govt.

At least you know you are free in 8 years. Imagine if you had toddlers! Dont waste your energy getting mad. Learn to use the system yourself.

There is plenty of experience here to guide you through. Chin up, we are all in the same boat. If we stick together and share our knowledge and experience we can make informed decisions and safeguard the connection to our children.
Bdouble and sleepy, you two have single handely calmed me down.  However, I do want to know, do you think the money you pay benefits your kids?
It does, although how much of it goes to the kids in these situations remains the great unknown to most payers. It might pay to ask yourself whether it matters, and even if it does, what can you do about it? What would the conditions be like for your kids if you paid nothing?
Sleepy, you are far more philosophical about this than I can be ATM...and I thank you for that.
Yes, they get the newest electronic fads from the OP, go the movies ($15/head) with the OP,  and are having fantastic holidays with the OP while I cant afford to gove them anything or take them anywhere.

Yes, the kids are benefitting while the OP makes me out to be a stinge who wont (she says) do anything for them while they are with me.

The kids have a fabulous lifestyle, paid for by me, but credit goes to the OP.
Thanks to this website, I am finally now done with CSA!!! With the persistance of my partner even through all of the ups and downs we have had because of CSA it has finally paid off. The x couldn't give CSA proof that the child support she had been claiming for over the last few months went to the person caring for our daughter not her in NZ!!! After 2 long months of proof they actually terminated my case!!! If my partner didn't keep at CSA with the proof she had found then I would still be fighting this battle………Get to know the system, and use it!!
Dvs69.... Crikey! That must be a relief. Sound advice. I am going to start a topic called "getting to know the system" I have learnt a few tricks along the way, such as always asking to talk to somone in the assessments section...they seem more helpful than the collections area.
Make your next trick becoming a write only client of CSA. To give you an indication of why you should do this, any information from CSA delivered on paper/electronically has to be vetted by someone considerably higher in the food chain than those who answer your phone calls. Those who answer the phones have no such restrictions. Once you work out why that's the case, you'll know why you shouldn't correspond with them via anything other than accountable means. The turnaround is painfully slow, but much better than debating who said what with no evidence to substantiate your case with CSA.

Another addition to your bag of tricks: You have the right to request the policies they cite. In CSA speak they refer to it as the PI (Policy instruction). You have a legal right to that information and they will adhere to that obligation. Pay particular attention to the PI in the event that you find that you've overpaid CS.
Nice one Sleepy, gold!!!
Dr Huge, :^)

you are among friends but you are definitely one of a minority group.

I've 16 years before the youngest one is 18 and I started my family when into my 40's so you are probably better off in some ways.

As the only wage earner in the household before the fiasco began I look at CS payments ($270 per week) as not a lot more than what it cost to keep the kids and her majesty.

What really hit hard was the loss of FTB-A and FTB-B.

I've had little option but to accept the close to 126 days of care per year.
Just under the limit to break over the 24% CS discount threshold.

CS really should be full pro-rata.

Maybe you should calculate the benefits of reducing you care percentage.
What is a weekday evening worth when you also work?
wabbit - have you tried calculating your care by hours per year than days or nights per year? You can do this with Family Assistance rather than C$A and you might get your percentage above the 35% mark which means you will get Family Assistance. If Family Assistance do the calculation they will automatically send it to C$A and will be binding on them. No need to talk to C$A.
Wabbit, regarding forgoing week nights - we have a 50/50 agreement and have four 4 years. As far as I'm concerned it is the best way. In my experience we have equal input and insight into the kids lives. The parent with most time seems to become the "real" parent. Most people I meet are amazed that we have the 50/50 arrangement, because I am the mother they assume I would have my children more. The way the family court is structured it seems I could have fought and won for majority care. I didn't, I did not want to be the stereotypical women who denies her kids the right to a relationship with their father. I left my husband in the marital home and the kids in the same school,  five minutes up the rd from him. I bought a house I could afford as close to the school as possible. It is a twenty minute drive away and in a poor area. I did this because I wanted out of marriage with as little fuss as possible. I have never asked him for a penny and have worked to support myself. All I have done is not enough, the CSA let's him keep his claws in me. He does not need the money, he works full time.  The way I see it, his claim for money coincides with (a) me finally getting into a new relationship (b) the 12 month anniversary of him getting a full time job for first time in 8 years. I am sure there are people out there who deserve receiving other peoples money. He is not one of them. He certainly does not deserve anymore assistance at the cost of my happiness.
Sleepy said
Make your next trick becoming a write only client of CSA. To give you an indication of why you should do this, any information from CSA delivered on paper/electronically has to be vetted by someone considerably higher in the food chain than those who answer your phone calls. Those who answer the phones have no such restrictions. Once you work out why that's the case, you'll know why you shouldn't correspond with them via anything other than accountable means. The turnaround is painfully slow, but much better than debating who said what with no evidence to substantiate your case with CSA.
Sleepy,

how do you acheive this??
I tried, but they refuse to write to me saying they only talk on the phone….
drhuge said
Wabbit, regarding forgoing week nights - we have a 50/50 agreement and have four 4 years. As far as I'm concerned it is the best way. In my experience we have equal input and insight into the kids lives. The parent with most time seems to become the "real" parent. Most people I meet are amazed that we have the 50/50 arrangement, because I am the mother they assume I would have my children more. The way the family court is structured it seems I could have fought and won for majority care. I didn't, I did not want to be the stereotypical women who denies her kids the right to a relationship with their father. I left my husband in the marital home and the kids in the same school,  five minutes up the rd from him. I bought a house I could afford as close to the school as possible. It is a twenty minute drive away and in a poor area. I did this because I wanted out of marriage with as little fuss as possible. I have never asked him for a penny and have worked to support myself. All I have done is not enough, the CSA let's him keep his claws in me. He does not need the money, he works full time.  The way I see it, his claim for money coincides with (a) me finally getting into a new relationship (b) the 12 month anniversary of him getting a full time job for first time in 8 years. I am sure there are people out there who deserve receiving other peoples money. He is not one of them. He certainly does not deserve anymore assistance at the cost of my happiness.

Dr Huge
you sound like perfect wife material (rational and fair) and the perfect example to lead a "Mens" group :^)
I hope the new man values you so.
I hope the leach meets his destiny without dragging you and the kids down.

whatbus - You write to them informing them they can only contact you by snail mail. If need be change your phone numbers and don't tell them. When they call you tell them put their inquiry to you in writing as you are too stressed or don't have the time to talk to them over the phone due to work or family reasons etc…. If they write you a letter you can then give the matter the time it needs at your convenience. They use phone to catch you off guard to get info off you without allowing you to think too much about it and make decisions. This is written in their collection handbook. The phone is quicker for them, is at their convenience, little records generated meaning they become less accountable and usually to the payer's detriment. They can't force you to use the phone.
Fairgo,

I tried that approach, but they try to bully you with, "if you don't talk to us, we will find in the payee's favour"
I tried, "I'm stressed", "I'm at work" etc - they just dont care.
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