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We need to do more

 Excuse the French but there is something so totally f#cked up with the Child Support system and whilst I know that organisations like SPCA are trying to speak with one voice on behalf of all the paying Dads out there - surely there must be more we can do as a group?

I just don't understand how even if I am awarded 50% care of my two children I am still obliged to pay my ex $1500 per month even though she has moved in with a new partner and is living very comfortably and has no need to work?

And I don't understand why because I earn more I am forced to pay more. Why isn't the cost of raising a child fixed at a certain level for the average family income? Why does it not become fixed until you earn over $104,000 per year - this would be virtually triple the average family income in Australia I think?

Meanwhile I still have to supply housing, food, clothing, toys and medical care for the children when they are in my care. No doubt I will be asked to pay a percentage of schooling costs once they start school too. Why is it me who is forced to pay for everything twice whilst she has no incentive to return to work?

Do any of you understand this?

There must be something more we can do here. There must be a lot of Dads out there who just silently pay what they are told to and put up with it. What about a call to action? Has anyone thought about organising some sort of rally or a strike by all CSA payers or something dramatic that will draw attention to our plight ? What about if we all write to the minister. Send him thousands of letters all at the same time…?

We need to get louder. We need to be heard. What options do we have ?

My first interest is getting time with my children and I don't care how much I have to pay to achieve that. Up to now I haven't even considered the amount of money that is going out in terms of CSA payments and solicitors costs. Who cares - time with the kids is the first priority. But now that I have finally got this thing to court and orders will be made soon I am starting to look at the $ side of it and the more I think about it now the more ludicrous it seems.

Last edit: by GoodDad

GoodDad - you have hit the nail on the head about CSA.

For the last 5 years I have lobbied members of parliament about CSA when 50/50 custody. They refused to listen. Bob McMullin said it was the best system in the world. Gary Humphries listened but refused to take responsibility. Mal Brough would not see me. All my submissions to all the enquiries were ignored. Most members ignored my emails and letters.

The fact is members of parliament are either too stupid or too busy to understand the issue or too committed to giving women money to change.

Even my friends and people just going through the system all think it's not their problem and they think the CSA is the 'right' thing to do. In many ways most men are their own worst enemy.

Women have been complaining for years.

Men don't - they see it as a sign of weakness and then when the CSA gets them - it's too late.

The CSA is fundamentally an evil system designed to support non-working women.

Here's an alternative system framed with a different view:

1) Baby creation - Govt announces a new initiative to encourage men to have babies by giving them $10,000 for each time they successfully impregnate a woman.

2) Divorce - Govt announces a new initiative to compensate men for the years of marriage - the support they provided to the woman and what they had to put up with - Man gets to keep all his assets and receives $20,000 lump sum.

3) Govt announces new package to give single men who have been subject to divorce ongoing support to help them - a new pension - divorced men pension.

4) "Ruined Generation" report highlights the damage to men and their families by the Family court and CSA system. 35 years of abuse - Gov apologizes to the 'ruined' generation and their families - particularly those who have committed suicide - starts to compensate and heal the wounds.  :)

The reality is that withOUT ALL men becoming more active nothing will happen. Men have successfully been brainwashed into believing the 'politically correct'. Men are too easily put down - watch the portrayal of men and women in the media and notice who is the victim and who is the evil one.

So what the answer:

1) Talk and write

2) Think argue

3) Deal openly with criticism

4) Work on behalf of ALL Australians - not just men's lobby (like women do)

5) Engage others - have the cafe conversations - get involved in training people to think about more than their plasma TV and their own problems

Want to join my group?

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
Jon Pearson said
The reality is that withOUT ALL men becoming more active nothing will happen. Men have successfully been brainwashed into believing the 'politically correct'. Men are too easily put down - watch the portrayal of men and women in the media and notice who is the victim and who is the evil one.
Jon.

I believe that it's not ALL men, but yep there is a need for many men, however I would not exclude women at all, I'd go so far as to say that women are perhaps more important  in the value they offer to counter the brainwashing, which is itself not specific to men.

The vast majority of people have been brainwashed and lied to. What we need is many people to realise, empathise and be sympathetic to the cause of true respect for people not a gender.
LOL, I love Jon's options "deserted men". There are acutally good factual grounds for this; men live longer when they are in a partnership.

Jon, I understand your point about more men becoming involved. I find that men only get interested in this topic when it comes and bites them on the backside. The younger guys I talk to shrug it off by saying "well, that's it - I'm never having kids" and probably forget about it when they meet some wonderful girl who wants babies.

Mike has a point to. Women need to get involved. It is my belief that women are more articulate and we can call a spade a spade on our own sex, without being seen as anti-political correctness.

The precise reason I'm on these boards much more compared to my partner; I'm not as affected by it emotionally and I'm a more proactive personality type.

GoodDad - will you payments go down under the new laws in July? Have you tried to get CSA to look at the ex's capacity to earn. Just because she chooses to be a kept woman by the new hubby, doesn't mean she CANT work. If she has some bogus illness, keep challenging that - at least she will have the hassle of constantly paying to go see a dr to get the certificate.

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Just on the doctor thing - my ex took a VR package then claimed CSA. I objected but CSA had to go with dr cert - saying they were not equipped to test a Dr. Hence never ending court cases. Her doctor got around that by saying she could not work 'for the forseable future' i.e. a never ending certificate. This also too was accepted in court and CSA never revisited it (but they always revisited my salary & wages & Tax returns)

Ie if there is a dr certificate saying you can't work - then that's it. Centerlink now support her.

Many people don't believe in Chronic fatigue Syndrome. Her 'Illness' certainly does not seem to affect her lifestyle.

Still never ending court action is the only way - for each time period, every six months, force her back to see another doctor - one of yours. Otherwise - if she's too sick to work then she's too sick to have kids.

 Maybe I am not explaining myself well enough
Hi Artemis, ex hasn't got a new partner yet but I am sure she is working on it.

I think my payments do go down slightly provided I get proper time with my children.

Just been to a Procedural Hearing today where the ex finally submitted her response and brought a lot of garbage in to it. I can't believe how cruel she is being to try and keep me from getting overnights. Not cruel to me - cruel to her children - they WANT to spend time with me. They really enjoy it.

I really hope I get overnights in my interim orders come mid February else I really don't know what I will do.

Jon yes I will join your group. Fill me in.
 
Count me in too - We need both men and women to stand up and demand that the system be made fair for all. 

When you are swimming down a creek and an eel bites your cheek, that's a Moray.
Count me in as well.

I am woman, hear me roar, lol.



having been through the court system for contraventions by the eX and how CSA don't treat payers equal and fair,  you can also count me in….
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