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CSAs unfair approach to lodging or not lodging tax returns

My husband has always done the right thing and lodged a tax return.  His ex has failed to do so for years, lodging one for the first time last year.  None has been lodged by her this year to date.  Due to the large amount of overtime he worked (to provide quality of life for his new family and help compensate for the amount cs takes) this past year his wage has increased and now so has his cs payments.  His ex has also been employed full time with a salary higher than the one for the 07 year, however she has not lodged a tax return and CSA are estimating her taxable income for this past twelve months on a provisional amount.  When she lodges her return it will adjust the amount my husband has to pay to less than what is being required at the moment.  There is not the slightest chance that she will ever reimburse or pay back the extra money she is receiving.  Can CSA put a stop on the increased amount until she lodges a tax return ?  If not she has found yet another way to rort the system!:'(

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Also, along the lines of lodging tax returns.

My husband has not yet done his 07/08 Tax return (don't we have until the end of October?) and we have just received a letter from Child Support with the new figure that we will be paying based upon his 07/08 income?!

Have I missed something here? Also is the amount CSA take based upon the actual amount you earn or once deductions are taken out?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
I believe it is taxable income, which is after deductions have been taken out.

Although, if I've got this wrong, I'm happy to stand corrected.

I have a narky letter from CSA to to get my tax return done also. I think it's that time of year.

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My taxable iincome they used for CSA was minus the deductions. My partner didn't get a letter they just estimated his income $12 000 more then last year to get him moving to do his tax!
It is taxable income, i.e. what is on your Notice of Assessment. Well in most cases, there are some exceptions that can be added to the taxable income, these are:-

Gross Reportable Fringe Benefits Total

Target Foreign Income

Net Rental Losses

Some Tax free pensions or benefits :-

Disability Support Pension
Wife's Pension
Carer Payments
Invalidity Service Pension
Partner Service Pension
Income Support Supplement
Defence Force Income Support Allowance.


My husband has not yet done his 07/08 Tax return (don't we have until the end of October?) and we have just received a letter from Child Support with the new figure that we will be paying based upon his 07/08 income?!

If the other partner submits their tax return, then I think this this would cause a re-assessment in normal circumstances, perhaps a few trees and a lot of unnecessary confusion could be saved if assessments were done immediately after the latter of the two assessments is submitted and to make them timely perhaps a small bonus could be paid for submitting a tax return on time, say $10 for each month before 31st October. Consideration would have to be given to those requesting a delay through a tax agent.
It sounds like someone in CSA has very little to do. As I understand it and it may have changed payments made on an estimated income are recalculated after the return is lodged. If the estimate has too high a credit is given if too low your outstandings are taken from your return.

Be sure to pay all payments asked for because the person/s trying this tacktic are the type that will deny a reassesment when it is due to cause you to appeal their abuse of power.
In our case it is the payee who has not lodged a tax return due to her income being higher than the previous 12 months, therefore our cs payments would go down. When correct figures are in, then there will be an over payment on our part but to get the money back from her will be imposible! :(

When 'Life' is hard and things are tough,

and you feel like you've had enough.

Remember always this one thing true,

Someone else depends on YOU.
C$A should give you a credit which will mean you pay nothing until the credit is paid off by the due payments.

If this does not happen, you will have to ask why it is not.  
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Also, along the lines of lodging tax returns.

My husband has not yet done his 07/08 Tax return (don't we have until the end of October?) and we have just received a letter from Child Support with the new figure that we will be paying based upon his 07/08 income?!

Have I missed something here? Also is the amount CSA take based upon the actual amount you earn or once deductions are taken out?

Any help would be greatly appreciated!
 
The CSA love their datelines.. if your CS period (15mths) is expiring they will utilise a 'provisional' income based on the previous years plus CPI/Inflation or whatever. You can object to this provisional figure. The figures are supposed to be adjusted when the tax return is calculated. If your letter is well in advance of the CS period end, I would demand explanation.

As to lodging tax returns, I suggest you check with the ATO… it's their domain. I do know if you go through an accountant, the lodgement deadline is extended and may be to around until mid-may the following year. The ATO says you do not need to lodge your income return below a certain amount, the CSA say you have to if you are a payer.

From personal experience a lot of dodgy happenings go on between the CSA and ATO. (The CSA is the ATO's child) For example, last year the CSA sent me a letter with a new assessment allegedly based on ATO assessment before the ATO had calculated my assessment! Somehow, the CSA based their assessment on my gross income before deductions and added my non CS assessable FTB, in total some $5k over my final tax assessment. Both Gov dept's played blame ping pong..CSA>>ATO, ATO>>CSA. 

And suprise, both resorted to a favoured excuse, computer glitch! The CSA said it was the ATO's and the ATO said it was the CSA's. (Not one mention of human error). It seems when the ATO received my tax lodgement they notified the CSA of my lodgement, gross income plus FTB, the total was wrongly passed on, which the CSA took as gross income after tax assessment. All this took several weeks to sort out, during which the CSA expected me to pay CS on this inflated income, even after they recognised there was an error and until they were able to fix it. The latter I was told would possibly take 4-6 weeks as their staff were very busy. I took it higher and was fixed in 48hrs.

" Perspective depends on which side of the barbed wire fence you sit, or indeed if you are sitting on it! "
 October 31 is the last date for tax returns. full stop. Agents can seek an extention of time to file their clients returns due to the sudden influx, you can also seek an extention but need a reasonable excuse.

C$A and ATO playing ping pong is only a couple of their employees with nothing better to do, it is a great joke to them to se if they can cause the overpayments which more ften than not get paid.

The harm done to the children and payee by the belief they are going to get more C$A is beyond their thinking and worst of all beyond their CARE.

THEY only care about their selves and entertanment.

The children go from a budgeted living to a larger bugeted life style then a NO C$A payment while the credit is being used up. WHO CARES they don't know the people they harm, they don't see the children going without when the corrections are caused, by the computer they claim caused the problem, they just see they caused stress to a payer.

Maybe it is about time an enquiry was sought to weed out those that are at the foot (start) the computer errors relied on.

The Laws are there to cause their abuse of power for them to be removed at the minimum.

To cause this to happen, a list of those who started the letters of erred or early assessments, is required. Until then those who start these wrongs can not be caught and that is what they rely on.

Only C$A management know who they are, probable with their blessing, otherwise they would have dismissed wrong doers and the others would have been informed so such wrong practices did not continue.

Therefore management need to be looked at to see who is supporting such wrongs. They dont look at the big picture that includes the long term effect on the children and payee or they say the majority win with the unchallenged errors.

No-Justice said
 October 31 is the last date for tax returns. full stop. Agents can seek an extention of time to file their clients returns due to the sudden influx, you can also seek an extention but need a reasonable excuse.
 

From the ATO website ….

You have from July 1 to 31 October to lodge your return unless it is prepared by a registered tax agent.

Payment dates are changed when lodged after 31st October by a tax agent…

Up to 13th Feb… payment due 21 March 2009

14th Feb - 13 March .. payment due 21 April 2009

From 14th March … payment due 5th June 2009

15th May 2009 latest date due without penalty.



http://www.ato.gov.au/taxprofessionals/content.asp?doc=/Content/00150565.htm

http://www.ato.gov.au/individuals/content.asp?doc=/content/33968.htm&mnu=28455&mfp=001/002

" Perspective depends on which side of the barbed wire fence you sit, or indeed if you are sitting on it! "
Overcsa, to get back to your original question! A similar thing happened to us and it turned out that we had been paying too much. So to fix the problem we were not required to pay CS until the debt had cleared, so you won't get your money back in a lump sum; however, you will retrieve it by not paying for a while.
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My husband has also not yet lodged for 07/08. An agressive woman from csa phoned him to discuss outstanding arrears (1,349 which were already under payment arrangment) and demanded they paid of more quickly with a jump from 50 per month to 200 per month. Anyhow this woman would not negotiate with my husband, used an aggressive I dont give a stuff how many bills/other kids you support attitude and ended up hanging up. anyway she has stated that since we havent lodged 07/08 she was going direct to the employer for this information. Is this part of the legislation? Shouldnt they wait until lodgement time has expired? We have nothing to hide income wise, but I  wouldnt  mind deliberately doing it to show her she cant push us around like that. I was down right disgusted with her treatment and so was my husband. Where do we stand?
If it was me, Hubbypays, I would lodge 2 different complaints.  The first one clearly headed CUSTOMER COMPLAINT about the attitude etc.  Secondly, lodge a PRIVACY COMPLAINT in privacy awareness week about the threat to advise the employer that your husband had a relationship with CSA and the impression he was a "dad beat dad".

Then sit back and await apology.
That sounds awesome, when is privacy complaint week? And who is it made to? Sorry we are very green in this area.
This week is Privacy Awareness Week and all Govt departments are hammering it internally.  Just send it to the CSA fax number on your latest letter.  Also, if they don't respond in 30 days (which it is liklley they won't do) you can take the complaint to the Federal Privacy Commissioner.  Also if the answer is unsatisfactory you can also complain to the Privacy Commissioner.  

Taking the CSA on takes a bit of energy because their systems a creaky, but if you think you have valid reason to complain you should.  They will not learn otherwise.  Also, one complaint per letter.  It means they have to respond twice.
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