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The capacity to successfully lobby for "change" - makes me wonder if this is a "guide", a "lobby group" or a "public forum".

Re the line on the first post of this page - "The capacity to successfully lobby for change" - makes me wonder if this is a "guide", a "lobby group" or a "public forum"?
nxus said
"The capacity to successfully lobby for change" - makes me wonder if this is a "guide", a "lobby group" or a "public forum".
have you wondered if it could be all 3?
hmmmmmmmmm… good point!

But having said that should one be viewing each post with an eye on "credility" and "reputation" - interesting point MikeT - interesting point.

Guess then it is in the eye of the beholder which way you view each post and subsequently respond to/applaud/affirmate/slam/denigrate the poster.. (circle one of the above)

I'd say it's all 3 plus with even more plusses waiting in the wings and that's one of the reasons why I consider this as the best place to be, it's moving rather than like so many other places that are running around in ever decreasing circles.

It shows what can be done if we group together. I never even knew about these SRL-R guys till I got here and hey I was supposedly in the know and I'd dare to say this portal is still in it's infancy.

Nxus said
uhhm how should one view any posts? That's really only an answer the viewer can make, there again the viewer may well also have to seek input from other than the post itself.

respond to/applaud/affirmate/slam/denigrate (circle one of the above)
Sheesh I thought you would have learnt from asking why not all 3, again why not all or a mix rather than just individual ones) :)
LOL… thanks MikeT needed a laugh.
Yes some responses are a mixture
nxus said
yes… The comment on the first post of this page..

"The capacity to successfully lobby for change" - makes me wonder if this is a "guide", a "lobby group" or a "public forum".
FLWG is a 'portal' The public forums are a just a part of the FLWG.

It is the various 'Community' Groups/Organisations that lobby for change.

So first and foremost FLWG is a guide that contains public forums and plays host to various groups, 'some' of which are lobby groups.

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on this site (look for the Avatars) Be mindful what you post in public areas. 
nxus said
- makes me wonder if this is a "guide", a "lobby group" or a "public forum"
The Portal is a facility for all "Lobby", "Harm prevention" and "Support" groups involved in Family Law reforms, Child support reforms, and legislative reforms around all facets of law and circumstances that impact on families after separation. There have been countless topics about this Portal covered in a number of forums. Have you used the "HELP" button to check out the contacts etc? (See right hand menu on front page) Have you been around the forum topics and used the specialist forum search engine to find any topics on the Portal?
LifeInsight said
What amazes me about FLWG is the secrecy and mystery about it's existence. There is no "about"; "who we are" page listing all the people that have developed and maintain the site. If all these people are known, then why are they not given any credit on here. Why the secrecy?
There is no secrecy and mystery. There is an about page, site map and much more in the help sections. There are thousands upon thousands of pages, sections, open forums and secured closed forums for private "Business",  so you will not see everything here without having approipriate security permissions for some groups.

The developers do not seek any credit, they are like you, having been through family law and child support matters and looking to create a fair and equitable system for those who do not get a fair go. As developers we cannot change the system because that is a job for the lobby groups. What we can do is deliver a platform for those that wish to use it and have a proper dialogue.

The platform is not yet completed. We are about 30% through what is a very big development project and fortunately we have had additional developers join us along the way. We are also fortunate to have the Shared Parenting Council and the SRL-Resource groups believe in the Portal as one of the fundamental building blocks to allow the reform movement to get traction as a unified voice. Without the two groups we could not have possibly got to where we are today with around 1.5 Million hits a month and in excess of 500,000 pages viewed.

Site Director
nxus, I to wonder at times with the personal attacks that have been made on some of my post, some were  :offtopic: but most were an enlargement and natural evolution of the topic.

"The capacity to successfully lobby for change" is well documented on this site, as to who and how much success that lobbing has been, will come in time.

My objection is to my topics that were claimed as objectionable rather than, what I see them as, the most important lobbying needed. Judges being accountable for their actions at the bench.

The Law and Judges say they are accountable, but try and cause that to occur. I read a "Reasons for Judgement" the other day where a Judge defeated a Family Reporter (FR) with the words like "the Family Reporter finally conceded". Not because the FR was wrong but refused to claim a finding of issues consistent with the issues of "the McIntosh Report" that would allow that Judge to make Orders the way she wanted. The FR stated repeatedly, which the Judge admitted to in her "Reasons" the FR had not seen the behaviour issues itemised in the McIntosh Report hence the FR recommended more time with the father.

The Judge rather than make Orders arguably, in "What was in the Best Interests of the Child" due to the evidence seen by the FR supported increased time with the father. This Judge went out of her way to claim the FR 3 interactions with the family were not as informative as the Judges views at trial. The Judge overlooked the fact the MMPI-2 test Raw Scores were supplied and supported the FR. The fact the MMPI-2 raises concerns of the mothers mental stability was although not advanced by the FR was clearly evident in the Raw Scores.

My point is should we be lobbying for an ability to cause Judges to be more accountable for their behaviour, like act as an advocate for a preferred party. I had a Judge tell me he was teaching me Advocacy. The truth was he did not want the evidence of the solicitor and mothers Contempt of Court Orders before him or he would have had to concede the mother was demonstrating "McIntosh Issues Behaviour" thereby concede the children's best interest would not be for the mother to have Live With Orders.

I heard the AG was trying to start up a body to accept complaints and cause a proper investigation of those citing Federal Judges, has anyone heard any more on that and should that be a Lobby Group started via this site?
OneRingRules said
I have altered one or two typos and paginated to make this valuable post read correctly

Remembering LifeInsight

LifeInsight said
What amazes me about FLWG is the secrecy and mystery about it's existence. There is no "about"; "who we are" page listing all the people that have developed and maintain the site. If all these people are known, then why are they not given any credit on here. Why the secrecy?
This is typical smart-arsery from LifeInsight.

Apparently he was too clever for his own trousers and disappeared up his own orifice!  :o

Dangerous, not just objectionable

No-Justice said
My objection is to my topics that were claimed as objectionable rather than, what I see them as, the most important lobbying needed. Judges being accountable for their actions at the bench.
The heat you take for your posts No-Justice is mainly because you give extremely bad and unwise 'advice' to people; 'advice' that could seriously damage their chances of seeing and being with their children.

In this regard your posts are not simply objectionable but downright and outright dangerous.

Worse still, you go one step further and seek to give that advice privately to forum members off-forum via private posts and telephone calls (were correction cannot be provided).

People are hereby warned that all your 'advice' is tinged with your crusading self-interest and erroneous legal notions, and that such 'advice' may not be in their best interests and that of their children.

Advice

dad4life said
No-Justice said
My objection is to my topics that were claimed as objectionable rather than, what I see them as, the most important lobbying needed. Judges being accountable for their actions at the bench.
The heat you take for your posts No-Justice is mainly because you give extremely bad and unwise 'advice' to people; 'advice' that could seriously damage their chances of seeing and being with their children.

In this regard your posts are not simply objectionable but downright and outright dangerous.

Worse still, you go one step further and seek to give that advice privately to forum members off-forum via private posts and telephone calls (were correction cannot be provided).

People are hereby warned that all your 'advice' is tinged with your crusading self-interest and erroneous legal notions, and that such 'advice' may not be in their best interests and that of their children.
Yes, this really did happen - I was the one who nearly had a dickie fit, along with Agog, when this gentleman concerned, informed me of the advice. When I told Agog of the 'new advice', he thought I was joking! It was panic time!:( the advice was fatal to his case, at that particular time. Luckily for him, the lawyer involved in the case, and who had been giving the 'new' instructions, thought that the father was having a really bad day, and sat on the instructions for a couple of days. This bad advice took one fall day to correct, but also put the father in a position where we had to baby sit ANY advice he was given.

This was a very long and complicated case, where for obvious reasons, the full details were not known to No Justice et al.

In the end the father received a fantastic result.:)

Last edit: by monteverdi


Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on the site (Look for the Avatars).   Be mindful what you post in the public areas. 
Sorry if I erred and thankyou monti for the fixup. I am glad to hear the right outcome was achieved and it does reinforce how the whole story is required for proper sugestions of directions to be looked at is required.
I think venting and whinging on this site is a necessary evil on this site and the personal attacks need to stop. The venting and whinging on this site lets us see the others state of mind, that helps us cause them to focus on the issues rather than the emotion. This is imperative to assist in affidavit writing and directing thoughts of grounds separate from argument especially when doing appeals and finals.

When people vent you can see what the Judge sees therefore suggest other ways of doing things. If they are caused to hide their whinging how can we help them? We don't get to see what they are truly thinking. Mech is an example where his thinking was all argument without identifying the grounds, he has admitted to his change of thinking that could not have occurred without his venting.

No Entitlement to Give Bad and Dangerous Advice

No-Justice said
I think venting and whinging on this site is a necessary evil on this site and the personal attacks need to stop.
What No-Justice is saying, taking into account his words and actions over the past months, is:

"I want the right to say whatever I want, without consequence or having my errors pointed out".

Forums tend to attract a range of malcontents, who believe that their circumstances and hurts justify them trampling on the rights of others.

It is therefore necessary for Moderators to ensure that other members are protected from such predatory behaviours.
No-Justice said
I think venting and whinging on this site is a necessary evil on this site and the personal attacks need to stop. The venting and whinging on this site lets us see the others state of mind, that helps us cause them to focus on the issues rather than the emotion. This is imperative to assist in affidavit writing and directing thoughts of grounds separate from argument especially when doing appeals and finals.

When people vent you can see what the Judge sees therefore suggest other ways of doing things. If they are caused to hide their whinging how can we help them? We don't get to see what they are truly thinking. Mech is an example where his thinking was all argument without identifying the grounds, he has admitted to his change of thinking that could not have occurred without his venting.
I think I actually agree with you - to a certain degree!:thumbs:

Monti

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on the site (Look for the Avatars).   Be mindful what you post in the public areas. 

Confrontation Begets Confrontation

LifeInsight said
Hey D4L - I am still lurking about - I just need to not be too public about my life in my posts as before. I am one that likes to share ideas, and if they come across as smart arsery, too bad. You're welcome to take me as I am and I will do the same for you.

I still believe that FLWG developers should be recognised for their efforts.

Regarding the function of FLWG, although some of the issues I have with the 'system' are possibly not relevant to this site, I think FLWG is mostly about DIY or group advocacy.

There are many other sites online for venting and whinging. FLWG has a more formal decorum than others and contributors that virtually have their 'fingers right on the pulse' of the issues.
Not only lurking but posting again … and you were so concerned about you posts.

Obviously you like playing both mind and control games.

Your in-your-face attitude and demeanour are noted and "right back at ya".

The FLWG developers and workers get the recognition they need from the people they need.  IMO, you just want to know names so that you can control and slander.

That may not be so, but, given your arrogance to date, it isn't difficult to see happening.

Along with several others here, LifeInsight, if you spent more time working on the details and legals of your family law casework, than on meddling and showing off, you would both advance your legal matters and cover your arse - without inconveniencing and wasting the time of others.

Separating Observation from Commentary

montiverdi said
No-Justice said
When people vent you can see what the Judge sees therefore suggest other ways of doing things.
I think I actually agree with you - to a certain degree!

Monti
Might not such worthwhile posts be more accurately and profitably described as "reporting" rather than as "venting" - there being a difference between "observation" and "commentary".

Certainly I agree that reporting on the actions and decisions of judges, and others in the legal process, can provide beneficial information and insights.

But, to me, venting is more a dumping and spewing forth of a mix of feeling, fiction and fact and may not be best placed to inform and equip others in their dealings with family law matters.
dad4life said
LifeInsight said
Hey D4L - I am still lurking about - I just need to not be too public about my life in my posts as before. I am one that likes to share ideas, and if they come across as smart arsery, too bad. You're welcome to take me as I am and I will do the same for you.

I still believe that FLWG developers should be recognised for their efforts.

Regarding the function of FLWG, although some of the issues I have with the 'system' are possibly not relevant to this site, I think FLWG is mostly about DIY or group advocacy.

There are many other sites online for venting and whinging. FLWG has a more formal decorum than others and contributors that virtually have their 'fingers right on the pulse' of the issues.
Not only lurking but posting again … and you were so concerned about you posts.

Obviously you like playing both mind and control games.

Your in-your-face attitude and demeanour are noted and "right back at ya".

The FLWG developers and workers get the recognition they need from the people they need.  IMO, you just want to know names so that you can control and slander.

That may not be so, but, given your arrogance to date, it isn't difficult to see happening.

Along with several others here, LifeInsight, if you spent more time working on the details and legals of your family law casework, than on meddling and showing off, you would both advance your legal matters and cover your arse - without inconveniencing and wasting the time of others.
I think the actions of 'LifeInsight' are best summed up by a comment about him made in the Moderators forum:

To bulk delete many posts in many threads means that the 'rights' of other members of the forum are ignored and trampled on: such action is somewhat contemptious of everyone else.  The reason being that it makes it difficult to follow affected threads and could change the 'reading' of other members' posts … and indeed make them look less than intelligent without the context to which they were responding.

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on this site (look for the Avatars) Be mindful what you post in public areas. 
dad4life said
montiverdi said
No-Justice said
When people vent you can see what the Judge sees therefore suggest other ways of doing things.
I think I actually agree with you - to a certain degree!

Monti
Might not such worthwhile posts be more accurately and profitably described as "reporting" rather than as "venting" - there being a difference between "observation" and "commentary".

Certainly I agree that reporting on the actions and decisions of judges, and others in the legal process, can provide beneficial information and insights.

But, to me, venting is more a dumping and spewing forth of a mix of feeling, fiction and fact and may not be best placed to inform and equip others in their dealings with family law matters.
 
I took No Justice's comments to be about people 'venting', to be about their lack of focus on their case, and not about attacking Judges and their opinions and judgements. If 'No Justice' is saying that we should be able to vent against a Judge, then I disagree.

Executive Member of SRL-Resources, the Family Law People on the site (Look for the Avatars).   Be mindful what you post in the public areas. 
LifeInsight said
Ok guys I get it. You are upset that I pulled my posts. Next thing I will be hearing from the man with the big stick! Oh and I can't forget me old mate Conan!!!
Now why would the man with the big stick be after you unless of course you actually realise you have done something stupid?

How about you just say "Folks I apologise for my stupidity and the mess I have made to some of the forums and for making some of your replies look like nonsense".

Is this so difficult, cannot be because you have been so verbose throughout your time here.

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